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greedy - 06-April-2009, 00:15

Hey,


In my opinion some of you guys are very greedy.

I own a server in a data center without a local. The reason why it is in a data center is because i can only garantuee a perfect ping and uptime from there. My local dreambox is at home, and direct connected to my server. So everybody sees my card as hop1. My uptime and ping are perfect all around the world. And i have 30 cards in hop1 with a lot of reshare on it.

But for the reason i dont have any direct local, 99,9% from the people with local cards wont connect with me. As if they lose a lot of money if they connect with me. I think that is greedy and selfish, and in my opinion wrong for the community.

share to get!


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06-April-2009, 00:35

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Actually u see it wrong. It so that some people try to cheat that they tell that they have a local, but u see it only over hop2. But they do not have that card at all self. Thats why most local card holders do not risk to exchange with u, because they think u can cheat. However u can make a test line from reciver to they for a 24h or so they can confirm that u have a self a real local. Other way is to you very hard to get exchange with other local card holders.
   
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06-April-2009, 00:56

Sure, it is possible to make a test line... the main reason why i keep everybody on that server is the lack of bandwidth at my home, but a few testlines are possible.

But thats still not my point what i was making.
Please, do also share with others who dont have locals. As you are killing your own community. That other person with only good hop1's is also prepared to give you a peace of his resources and bandwidth. Sharing should be a community thing, what we do with everybody, and not selective.

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06-April-2009, 02:14

hp197, Hello my friend. It's not like that at all. You are one of my peers. It's important to keep your server running. Sharing should be equal too. That's how it works. If you have a local card, you deserve a local card back. It does not matter whether your card is on your box or on your server. What matters is HOP1. Give it some time, and everything will be fine.


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06-April-2009, 02:37

Yeah we share...

But still i think it is unfair. Some hop1's are better then locals (i have 3X canal+ nl in hop1, 1 of them will always work). The power of redundancy ;)

Also i helped some one today with totally no shares. Guy was very happy that he now could watch other channels. Is this fair? No, i give him a lot and he gives me nothing. But who care, as long as it makes him happier...

Moral: sometimes you have to do things without asking for something in return, and hopefully others will do some day the same with you.
   
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06-April-2009, 06:43

hp197....HOP1s are better than Locals! After all, they are Locals on some other servers!
All I am saying that there are a few people that are either lazy or try to take advantage of some other peers. If someone is asking for help or a free Cline, when you check his/her stats, and you find only 1 or very few posts, then you can draw a conclusion.

However, if some peers have tried and did not succeed for whatever reason, then you can Help. I myself have 3 peers with no cards at all.

So yeh we share


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06-April-2009, 10:14

hmmm...

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Sharenoun
1. the full or proper portion or part allotted or belonging to or contributed or owed by an individual or group.
2. one of the equal fractional parts into which the capital stock of a joint-stock company or a corporation is divided.
Shareverb (used with object)
3. to divide and distribute in shares; apportion.
4. to use, participate in, enjoy, receive, etc., jointly: The two chemists shared the Nobel prize.
verb (used without object)
5. to have a share or part; take part (often fol. by in).
6. to divide, apportion, or receive equally.
i have to say--> to me...> number 6--> is the real definition!

@ hp197

you only see things from... "yourside" .

i myself...basically want to know who i share with...so i share with only people..i concider m8s-->

When im walkin in Cities.. I also dont give every beggar on the streets cash..!!

everybody has thier own reasons / ways that they share..>

just because..it doesnt fit too your liking..dosent mean people..are GREEDY..

just my 2 cents...>


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06-April-2009, 12:40

totally agree with cold007
@hp197: as per your definition, if you starting behaving that way, then soon there shall be no one with locals, and we'll all be sitting without anything to share :)
soon in the long term sense obviously, not within 1 month, but within a span of a few months, that phenonenom would definately happen
   
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Hey,


In my opinion some of you guys are very greedy.

I own a server in a data center without a local. The reason why it is in a data center is because i can only garantuee a perfect ping and uptime from there. My local dreambox is at home, and direct connected to my server. So everybody sees my card as hop1. My uptime and ping are perfect all around the world. And i have 30 cards in hop1 with a lot of reshare on it.

But for the reason i dont have any direct local, 99,9% from the people with local cards wont connect with me. As if they lose a lot of money if they connect with me. I think that is greedy and selfish, and in my opinion wrong for the community.

share to get!


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Greedy
1. excessively or inordinately desirous of wealth, profit, etc.; avaricious: the greedy owners of the company.
2. having a strong or great desire for food or drink.
3. keenly desirous; eager (often fol. by of or for): greedy for praise.

Many of us started out in CS with no local and with the help of good people "joined the club". There comes a point when its time to "pay back" that help. My current server has people with lots of local cards, only one local and no locals.
I have to ask why people card share?
Is it to get one over on the providers ?
Obtain channels that they want but due to broadcast restrictions cannot legally obtain.
Or like most of the people on my server its a hobby, and as a community have been playing with "satellite" for many years, from the days of D2Mac, gold cards and joker cams etc, for us CS is just the next step.


If like you say you have a local then why not share it or are you being GREEDY by not wanting to SHARE your card with others ?


   
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06-April-2009, 19:14

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Greedy
1. excessively or inordinately desirous of wealth, profit, etc.; avaricious: the greedy owners of the company.
2. having a strong or great desire for food or drink.
3. keenly desirous; eager (often fol. by of or for): greedy for praise.

Many of us started out in CS with no local and with the help of good people "joined the club". There comes a point when its time to "pay back" that help. My current server has people with lots of local cards, only one local and no locals.
I have to ask why people card share?
Is it to get one over on the providers ?
Obtain channels that they want but due to broadcast restrictions cannot legally obtain.
Or like most of the people on my server its a hobby, and as a community have been playing with "satellite" for many years, from the days of D2Mac, gold cards and joker cams etc, for us CS is just the next step.


If like you say you have a local then why not share it or are you being GREEDY by not wanting to SHARE your card with others ?
No, i do share the card. But the help the community im not sharing from my home.

First of all, i have a limited uplink at home. What results in a limit of possible peers.
Secondly, a dreambox is not as 10 as powerfull as my server (Quad core P4, with 4068mb ram and 3TB in raid6).
Thirdly my server is connected to a fibre backbone, what results in a low ping all over the world. I cant get that at home.

So am i greedy by sharing my server? I guess not.
And for the people who wants to see that i do have a local, i am prepared to give them a account on my dreambox for a day or so, but after that day they have to move to my server.

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